This is Laura London and you’re listening. To Speaking of you in this, the inaugural episode of the podcast, I speak with the founder of Inner City Books, Jungian analyst and author Darrell Sharp. Darrell invited me to record our first interview in his home, which is also the headquarters of the publishing house he started back in 1980. So last week I flew to Toronto and spent an entire day with Darrell in that lovely Victorian house where we shared a couple of meals and did a lot of talking. This was the first interview I’ve ever recorded. It’s been something I’ve been wanting to do for many years, and it’s finally the right time to begin. It’s been an enormous undertaking. And it’s only just begun. Because this is all new to me, I must say that it came out a little rough on my end. But I have to start somewhere. So if you’ll bear with me and stay with me, I promise you the quality will get better with time. Let us begin. A young and Laura welcome from Oak Park, IL. Thank you Darrell. I’m all the way from Toronto to Elephant House to talk about him and Inner City Books for your work on Twitter has endeared that me and my colleagues to your work and your knowledge of you. Well, thank you for saying that. Interest and appreciation of our titles has been a joy. Well, thank you. Thank you for the material. It’s it’s really been a great topic of conversation on Twitter and quotes from books that you’ve published. So we’re sitting here today on your consultation room in these very comfortable chairs, and it just so happens that on the table next to us is the elephant. The elephant that started it all. Well, it didn’t start. Inner City Books, it started. For me, writing the book called Young unplugged my life as an elephant, which is a metaphor for my time in and out in analysis and how that happened. I was walking in the hills of Syracuse one day and I spied on the trail. A little Anthony object which I picked up and it turned out to be a small little elephant, and I took that to be an instance, an event of synchronistic importance, by which I mean. I decided to take it seriously as a reflection of something going on in me that corresponded without a cause, to an event that happened in the outside world. Would you define the word synchronicity? Young. Most briefest? Definition is that it is an A causal coincidence between two events, one external in the real world and one psychic in someone’s mind, and these happen to coincide without any apparent cause. That’s why he calls it a console. Many people would call it just a coincidence, but that’s not what the synchronicity isn’t simply a coincidence. It’s a meaningful connection between the internal and the outside. And that led eventually to his. More extensive writings and research on what he called the psychoid archetype, which is some unknown place in space or in the world where things happen that have meaning but no apparent. Because so that led him away from that and Tony and few of cause and effect. Revolutionary at the time. Now people use the word synchronicity rather loosely, and more often they use it as a a mistakenly as a synonym for coincidence. So the difference between a coincidence and a synchronicity is meaning in the mind of the the holder. Hmm, like beauty. And you have to be sentient enough to see that there is some correspondence somehow. And that’s what led me to investigate what elephants might mean to me, and why I that particular time would chance upon one. Apparently for no reason. But I decided there must there could be some reason. So I went to the zoo and looked at watch telephones and I read about elephants and I drew elephants. And I sculpted elephants and I became elephantine in my thinking. And is there working there in your pretty mind? Another question. So you happened upon that elephant in the hills of Zurich and it led you down that path. Yes. What did you derive from that? Ultimately, where did that lead you? It lead me, Lead me to my elephant complex. Hmm. Oh, which is in my imagination is native to the astrological sign of Capricorn. Firmly fixed on the ground, umm, substantial in nature, and incidentally showed me where I was going off my rightful path. In my current life. In which we needn’t go into because that’s take us too far afield and it’s too personal. Umm. But to get the idea, I think that I received this message as a metaphorical challenge to. Rediscover myself, which I did overtime by taking my dream seriously, particularly because the unconscious is where we get information that isn’t otherwise ordinarily available to us. You called this an elephant complex? What? You mean by complex? A complex is a group of emotional associations surrounding a particular concept or idea or person, Even a new. I think of my mother. All the associations that go with mother make up. My mother complex and my experience of other women have contributed to that complex, which basically is the archetype of the feminine hmm and formed initially by a man’s mother. And then? Are created or modified by his life experience. So you called that an elephant complex, and so it’s all about your associations around elephants. Well, it it became that. But before I stumbled on this little creature, I had no notion of what an elephant might mean to me. I had to be motivated by that event to look into it. Hmm. I was reading a tribute that you wrote to memory of Marie Louise von Franz. You actually met her when you were in Zurich in 1976. She actually played a very large role in your training. In the tribute, you discuss how she opened your eyes to your personal psychology, and I’d like to ask you about how that happened and you’re happening upon one of her books. That particular book is called The Problem of a Puer Turnus. Which is the right? Initially published in 1970 by Spring Publications. Much later in 19 in the year 2000 I acquired the rights to it and republished it. I agree, edited the original, which had some had a lot of typos and grammatical errors. And I am decent as well, so. For install, influence was through the written word and I although I went to Zurich in 1974, I didn’t. I attended some of her lectures but I didn’t meet her in person until 1976 when I went for a single consultation and then she was my examiner and fairy tale exam that takes place halfway through ones training. Called The Propaganda Come and it’s a series of exams on dreams and fairy tales and myths and cultural What’s the word, your friends? Use. Cultural anthropology. Yeah, there’s an examined cultural anthropology. Anyway, on France was chosen as my fairy tale examiner and I thought I was well prepared because I’d read all her fairy tale books. Interpretations of fairy tales and the feminine and fairy tales, the shadow and fairy tales, individuation and fairy tales and so on. And I was a great fan of her work and I thought I knew it pretty cold. And. I don’t remember the fairy tale she gave me at the time to comment on. Which was the substance of the exam? Umm. I do remember that I fumbled about in my mind to find something to say and could hardly find a word. Such as appropriate and at the end of 45 minutes. She said. You’re real men. Yeah, perhaps you shouldn’t be here. And so I slunk out, expecting to have failed. That exam, But she gave me a three, which is a threshold of past. Mm-hmm. I then went home, appropriately humbled, and reread everything she’d written for the next two years before the final exam. Like she was. Also, I chose her as my fairy tale examiner now. I was more psychologically together by then. And uh. Not overconfident, as I had been. And so I it was a written exam, so I wrote about 10 or 12 pages and oh, it was on. I remember the fairy tale. There was The Glass Mountain, about a hero who has to climb the black, the Glass Mountain. To get to the Princess and surrounding the Glass Mountain, there’s a mold that is filled with the bodies of other would be heroes who had failed. So there’s a lot of symbolism involved in it. And they’re animals he beats on the way and synchronistic events. And so I thought I had done pretty well on that written exam, and when I got the paper back from her, it it was accompanied by a note by a second. A reader of the paper who said this won’t do it all, and she wrote on the bottom of the paper. This man knows his stuff A plus. So I was very pleased to have pleased her. You you had written. The independent examiner refused the mark, saying quote. He must have cheated from France, gave me a one and penciled A terse note quote. He knows his stuff. Well, I yes, I just remembered that detail. Thank you for reminding me, you wrote She prepared me for what was coming, which is to say I could appreciate intellectually with my thinking function, her analysis of the mother bound man, but I did not truly see its relevance to me from a feeling standpoint, That is, until I was on my knees three years later. Then her words pierced my heart. Tough to take, but her cogent comments on men who sounded suspiciously like me, devastating as they were to my image of myself, offered an implicit alternative to killing myself. Yes. You you went on to say. Needless to say, I took the alternative. I went into analysis. Yes, what is your question? My question is. There are a lot of people out there that feel that way. That are on their knees and don’t know where to turn and a lot of them turn to alcohol, to drugs to quick fix crisis management type therapy that they’ll do for three months and then stop. You didn’t choose those paths, you chose another path. Well, I had read Young and I when I woke up crying one morning. Uncontrollably I knew that if I that I needed some help. And. I knew it had to be with a union oriented therapist, someone who knew at least more than I did about, you know, me and my ideas. Because I like the spirit of what I read and and by and his followers like Helman and Edward Whitmont and wrote The symbolic Quest and von Franz. And so I happened to be staying in London, England, at the time. It was a friend who noticed, well, realized my distress, and I told him some of the background and the reasons for my distress. He said, well, you should see somebody. And I said, well, I’d love to, but there already. Unless in Canada, he said. Well, I happen to know of a very prominent Indian analysts in London. England. Hmm? And he said he might have space. He might be able to see you. So I phoned him right away, and that analyst turned out to be Anthony Stevens, whose work I subsequently published many years later. He agreed to see me right away, I think the next day and that started a year long association with. And Doctor Stevens, who has changed my life because when I went back to Canada. Oh, Adele, while I was working with Doctor Stevens. I accidentally or synchronistically met a man who said he was training to be a Freudian analyst. He wasn’t an MD, and it was the first realization I had that there were such a thing as an LA analyst. You didn’t. With the medical doctor. So I went back and talked to my host, who had been thinking of training as a union analyst himself, and together we did some research on the young institute and Sir. And. A couple of weeks later I went to Zurich and talked to the Director of training about the possibilities and I was invited to submit an application and with some recommendations. Upper sledders. Which I subsequently did, and I was accepted, but I had to wait a year. Oh, was that? He said. They’re they’re were too full at the moment so the following up Tober I was accepted to enter training umm so I came back to Canada and where I worked in various. Jobs for a year and sorted out my situation with my wife and my then three children. And uh. Went back to London, England to work to continue working with Tony Stevens. To make up the hours I needed in to qualify for training and surrogate. So I just like would like to clarify this. What is required of one that would like to become a union analyst? The initial the the basic requirement is 100 hours of yummy and analysis. Plus a graduate degree in something. And it could be anything. It could be anything. For some of my colleagues, it was. Fine Arts. Hmm. A diploma and filmography. Hmm. As long as it was a graduate degree. Graduate degree And then you are BA, right? And then you are required to have had 100 hours of analysis with a union analyst, yes, And does that with a youngin analyst. Does that need to be done? Before you start your training or before you finish your training, before you start, when you get into training, you have to accumulate. 400 hours of personal analysis before you congratulate. Do you know of any other, for instance the Freudians, that they have a requirement similar to that? I don’t. True, they do, but I don’t know their regulations. Every other union and institute has varying. Requirements for entry. Some are 50 hours of personal analysis, some are more. Some even require an MD. I think this San Francisco institute requires an MD or a PhD in psychology. So when you got to Zurich in the fall of 1974, you wrote that you had abandoned your wife and your three young children. You said in favor of my own potential renewal. Yes, What does that mean? Well, I knew I was such a mess. I had to do something that was no of no use to anybody. Hmm. Specially them. So it was a matter of. Survival for me. To be in analysis. But to me, it it would take a tremendous amount of strength to work on yourself. When things aren’t going well in your life, people usually want to blame what’s other people? Other things? Well, I tried that, but it didn’t. Don’t work well enough, but I was well motivated. I I couldn’t afford it. I mean it’s a very expensive process, I’m sure. Personal analysis. Uh. Insert at the time was something like 150 francs an hour and say it’s I think it’s a usually between 100 and $130.00 an hour. Not many people can afford it or the time involved, right? Because there’s not only time away from income, from work, from daily work, but. The time involved in working on yourself, attending to your dreams, reading. It’s very difficult with the family to keep track of yourself. So the question is then why do it with the hope that you’re being a more substantial person, yes. Eventually. Through that process. And that there’s no viable alternative. There’s no viable alternative. For a lot of us, there isn’t. Experienced something similar? I have understand yes I have. And. That was the only way for me. You. Say that once you’ve got to Zurich. I love this. You fell in with a Shadow companion, Frasier Boa. What is a shadow Companion? It’s someone who shares some. Values, but from a different point of view. He represented to me everything I wasn’t. Um. Which is part and parcel of how Young describes the shadow, and it’s an all altered ego. Who functions differently and has different values? I I like the emphasis on the word different because I think. In popular culture, the word shadow is synonymous with the word evil, and shadow and evil are not. The shadow is not necessarily evil, right? I agree. The shadow may be very creative. Umm, in that it represents. A side of the personality, that is. Unfamiliar and unknown, but potentially creative and. The match the fellow I mentioned or mentioned that I lived with, Fraser Bowl was. And function differently than I did typologically. So I learned a lot from him of how to tolerate someone who. Experience the world in a completely different way. Yeah, I was gonna say. Wouldn’t you by nature clash with somebody that was so different from you, both as a shadow figure and different typologically? How did that work? Well, you. Well, you may naturally clash with them. But if you’re alert, you realize that what you’re seeing is in yourself and terms of projection, right? And if you can take that back, you can assimilate some of the traits that the other person. Has that are valuable to you. And. In our case, it was the intuition that I came to appreciate that he. I had in spades and he came to appreciate my sensation function. Hmm. So although we were opposites, we were complementary and balance each other out. Them away. Now it’s Shadow is something that you work on forever, because there are always new things coming up from the unconscious that you didn’t know were there, and they can be constellated, activated when you meet someone new or find yourself in a new situation or a new job. It involves activating different complexes in yourself, which are all everything is part of the shadow until it’s differentiated. And then it can be assimilated into consciousness, which is an expansion of the ego, which usually produces a good deal of inflation in the individual. Suddenly everything becomes clear. You think you know it all. So by the time I came back from Zurich to Toronto, I could see myself touring the country, curing people’s schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. Completely unrealistic, but inflated because my head was filled with material that had previously been unconscious and inaccessible to me. I mean it. The inflation settles down when you get to function. Appropriately, in the real world, then, you are liable to experience the opposite, which we call negative inflation, where you think you’re no good at all. Right. Tell us that mantra. Mantra that. Is that the root of Inner City books? Where you you just put your head down and do the work that’s in front of you, and then thirty years later, you wake up and you publish billions of books and you have traveled the world and cured people. Yes to thoughtful of you to remind me. So there’s a mantra that you have at Inner City Books. He wields it well for myself. Really, do what is right in front of you. Didn’t Young say something like follow your nose because that’s your way? And that would be a simplistic way to say it. I’m sure he said it a lot better than that. The energy. Energy is key. Where does your energy want to go Now if somebody said accountant and he’d rather be a playing the person, you can see how unhappy he might. Me and his personal life. Umm, you use the word differentiate and that word. I come across that word a lot in the material. What does that mean? To differentiate the contents? Well, when something bothers you. Or no issue and it clear in our terms that you’re complex, a complex has been activated. What is involved in that takes the process of differentiation? Is it is it some shadow aspect of myself or is it? The feminine side of myself responding to something in the environment or something I did. Could you clarify that question? Well, you’re on on track because I get asked that question a lot on Twitter. When somebody will say, well, what is it? Is it this or is it that And they’re trying to differentiate and they want an answer. I don’t have the answer for them, they have the answer. So what do you do when you are differentiating? You keep asking yourself the question. You keep. You keep chewing on it. Umm, you do something. About it like write or draw paint. Sculpt dance. You’re looking for the meaning of what the Complex is trying to say to you, like you with the elephant. Yes. So getting back to your shadow companion, you said that our dismal state was echoed by others in training, which is to say we were all there because we had run afoul of our own psychology. I love that statement. What did you mean by that? Well, that’s a good question. This distance I’m not quite sure, but I can make it up on the run here because of our own psychology. We had run into brick walls in our life that we could not cope with situations in which we didn’t know how to function or. Found it impossible to function and go on. Go forward and we became therefore listless or in a state of what we might call loss of soul. You were a little bit envious of Frasier because. Von Franz was his analyst, yes, but she was all booked up and and she didn’t have room for you. You said something interesting here that when Frasier would get back from his his analytic hour with mom, Franz, you too would chew over for hours, which she had said he wrote. You said that you were continually in awe of his account of von Franz’s understanding of his dreams. He would tell her a dream and stammer a few associations, and she would come back with a full blown interpretation of what the unconscious was saying to compensate his conscious attitude. And my analyst would always remind me constantly that dreams are compensatory. And whenever I see anything about dream interpretation out there, I never see that men out outside of the Union world, I never see that mention. So could you talk a little bit about how dreams. Compensate our conscious attitudes, yes. In general terms. Dreams either confirm your conscious position or they have nothing to do with it. Or they give you an opposite point of view on your conscious ego, position, attitude. That’s the meaning of compensation. Most helpful are dreams and synchronistic events that tell you something that was completely unknown to you before. That you have to model over to find the meaning of. I mean, in what way does this compensate? You know, through the day you go through a lot of events, right? What is this image in the dream compensating for? Was it when I met Joe or was it when I was making love with Sylvia? Or when I went shopping and got a crush on the cashier. Or anything else you have to dig into your experience of yourself and. Put it beside your dream images and see where they clash or coincide in order. In this you have to do this overtime. You can’t right off of that. I couldn’t as from friends apparently could. No, It’s a lengthy process, right? Takes time. And if you persevere and research the images that come up, and then if you dream about Cougars, you need your personal association, need to historical guideposts. It’s particularly difficult when you’re. People of different women because men live in such a psychic harem. Umm and you know anywhere from nixies to Pixies can turn up and representing different aspects of a man. Simonal’s presence in the world. So This is why it’s helpful to have an analyst help you interpret your dreams. Well, it’s it’s, I would say it’s impossible without a dialogue with a visa V a personal personal opposite you. Someone who knows help you tease out. Overtime, what’s going on in your unconscious? So what is important to know? What would you say about people using dream symbol dictionaries to interpret their dreams? Well, it’s too simple because there’s no one interpretation of. Over an image of the symbol. You know Stefanishion or a symbol is that it’s the best expression for something essentially unknown. Umm. And that’s why it’s not a sign. Likeness. So gasoline sign, right? That’s symbol is essentially Its meaning is essentially unknown until you unpack its meaning by digging into it, particularly some creative practice. So it’s what that symbol means. For you. For for me, not for anyone else. Right. No. Dream dictionaries can just be misleading. Symbol symbol dictionaries can be very helpful. Mm-hmm. I have several couple on the shelf up there that herders. Remove that sharing is 1. So is there a difference between an archetypal dream and a personal dream? Yes, in the general terms, I think you mean we would call it an archetypal dream, a big dream, one that has explosive significance in your life as opposed to a personal. A dream that has only personal significance and in a superficial way in your life. A big dream might even be be significant for a whole group of people, a tribe traditionally that is true of. So-called native populations, their leaders would often have big dreams that led them to places of water and food and shelter. So there’s a certain archetypal and big there’s or. They’re the same. But between archetypal and personal, Although the personal pain may have archetype archetypal images in them, they. Are limited to the to their personal importance. So getting back to von Franz, you said that you had analytic sessions with her on two occasions about a year apart. Yeah. So you actually did get to have some time one-on-one with her? Yes. And what was your experience of her? Oh, warm. Receptive. Perceptive. Completely alert. Strong, strong thinking function, but not lacking in empathy. Yeah, she was a delight to sit with as someone you could. Respect that had enormous knowledge of images and historical events. You had said that when she you had chosen her to test you for your midterms. Yeah, And the time that she called you a stupid nanny. You had also mentioned that she said to you when you kind of blanked out when she was testing you, that she said you’re either a stupid nanny and shouldn’t be here at all. Or you have talents as yet undiscovered, which clearly is was the case. The latter might have made that out. Oh, talent says. Yep, I’m disgusting because it sounds well, oh, she’s and she saw that. Like, well, I hope she did. Umm, because that’s what turned out to be true, yeah. And that in the two years after that, between the midterms and the and the final, you said that you spent less time frolicking and more on why you were there. You had reread all of her books. And and then and then you had her retest you. I like that you said that you during the set, your second-half of training, you spent more time on why you were there. Yes, it’s sort of frolicking, soliciting is, you know, hunting the pubs. In the evening. Hang out in the needed Dorf, which is the lower town of Zuri, where shadowy things happen. I find that interesting, that even though you had been through everything you had been through, and you had been in the training program in Zurich for two years, you were still frolicking. Well, because I wanted to experience my shadow. I see, I see. At least that was my excuse. After your training 1978, you were 42 years old and you returned here to Toronto as a certified union analyst. And you said you were still restless. And I love this quote because I can relate to it. You said I had so much energy I thought I might explode. Theoretically it is possible E equals MC squared. If you have no place to put your energy, it could build up inside until poof. A burst of flame and at the speed of light, you’re toast. So what happened then? You’re finished with your training. You’re back in Toronto. That one. Well, I still fancied myself as a writer. Umm. And so I rewrote my thesis to what I thought was a manuscript worth being published about Kafka’s. About uh, I called it The Secret Raven. Conflict and transformation in the life of Franz Kafka. So I wasn’t concentrated, I didn’t feel. Competent in a literary way to analyze his novels, though I enjoyed reading them. I concentrated on his Diaries, right, in which I found evidence of poor air sychology. I see. And then I. The more I realized. That I have identified with Kafka’s plague for no good reason, because I was as far away from a Kafka personality as one might imagine, but I responded to his diary entries with. Anguish. And despair. As as he did. Hmm. I mean, he was expressing his anguish and despair and I took it on. Mm-hmm. That’s goes back 15 years before I went to Zurich. During analysis, I became aware that he was as much of A poorer as I was, and so I. Endeavored in the writing of my thesis for the graduation. And I endeavored to pull out of his Diaries. Examples of. What I felt was or symptoms of his prayer? Psychology. Umm. So that’s why I wrote it and felt it was. Ready to be published, especially because it was a propitious year. I think it’s 100 years after his birth. And fifty years after he died, but all I got was rejection 6. So Fraser and Marian encouraged me to publish it myself. They said you have the tools. And that was true because I have worked been working for years with. Publishers editing other other people’s work. So I decided I would do that. But I didn’t want to become a one pony publishing house right, and just publish myself. So I invited other analysts to send me their manuscripts. And Fraser helped me design the logo that goes with Inner City Books and the first. Have I wished man the secret Raven? First and then I had in hand several mimeographed manuscripts of on Francis. Umm, that I brought home from Zurich that you could only buy in Zurich. Hmm. OK, from in the library. So I phoned her and told her what I was going to do and asked her permission if I could publish these. Unpublished manuscripts and she was absolutely thrilled she remembered me. I was careful to call in the morning when I was aware that she would just come in from the garden and I dared to ask her to be my honorary patron. And she was thrilled at that request too. So that’s what happened. And subsequently, Marian Woodman. Oh, offered me her diplomacy thesis. Deal was a Baker’s daughter, and we worked on that together and turned it into a book. And then Addiction to perfection, which we turned into a book together and. The Pregnant Virgin. Umm. Her three best known books, I think. Umm. There’s there’s no such several years to put together. Theses are notoriously academic and unpublishable, I see, and so they have to be reshaped and preferably edited by a professional editor. What you say in the in the introduction to The Secret Raven about what the book is about? You wrote my aim is not been to explain or interpret Kafka’s creative work. Rather, I have tried to illuminate some of the psychological factors involved in his conflicts, paying special attention to the compensatory significance of some of his dreams. Yes, but that’s the question. No question, just a statement that I love this book. Oh, I’m so pleased to hear it And it is a great example of dream interpretation. Because you. You didn’t know him. Clearly you you hadn’t met him. But you’re able to see inside a little bit. Well, possibly because I identified with him. So yeah, umm, that’s how Inner City Books got started. I mean, that’s pretty great company. Marie Louise von Franz and Marian Woodman. Yes, and soon after Adventure found they’ve opened. Before that, Sylvia Brinton Perera’s book Descent to the Goddess took off like a rocket nobody had ever written or published. A book revealing the shadow side of women in such a mythic detail. Umm, it was extraordinary, the response to that book I think we’ve sold. 60 or 70,000 copies over the years Mariano’s ADD dictionary and three books that I published. So over 100,000. The world was at in the early 80s, was an early 1980s, was hungry for yummy and psychology. It’s falling off somewhat since I think at least for inner city and although we. Started in nurtured A trend other publishers saw that there was finally saw there was a market in such material and so. Other analysts started publishing with other publishers, so we didn’t get so many submissions. You had published three more of von Franz’s manuscripts before she died. The poor air book? No, that came after she died. It was. I had permission. Just the year before she died, she gave me permission to publish a new edition based on the original, umm, couple years before she died. She offered you archetypal patterns and fairy tales. Yes, the reprint rights to CG, Young, his myth and our time. And that’s it. The intellectual side of her, Yes. And is one of this is the best intellectual. Biography of Young Hi Believe and one of my personal favorites, The Cat. A tale of feminine reception, Yes. So her biography of young CG, Young, his myth in our time, I don’t think a lot of people know that that’s out there when they are looking for a biography of young. They go to memories, dreams, reflections. But von Franz’s account, she met him when she was 18 years old. Yeah, and she was with him until he died in 1961. And she puts him in in an intellectual and temporal context. And concludes that he was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. Which isn’t, I think, adequately recognized yet. And you’ve always suggested that perhaps he was 50 years. It would be 50 years after his death before people would understand what he. Done. So I hope we’ll we’ll have another session. Well we just skimmed over over Edinger and yes we’ve we’ve definitely have to cover him because he’s. A huge figure and played a huge role in Inner City books. Yes, I before we started recording, you asked me why I chose to publish the manuscripts of other analysts. That I did at my criterion from the beginning. Has been to accept manuscripts that showed a deep experiential interest in the topic that they’re writing about. Not an academic overview and not a selection of essays by different analysts. I wanted a single author, single theme manuscript from these people. It’s they readily supplied, though I haven’t had a new submission for some time. And the latest focus is love drama of CGI, which I think convincingly shows the influence of Young’s love life on his ideas and on his writing of The Red Book, which has become so famous. And the last few years? Published in nine 2009, I think. Hmm. Well, I’ve reached out to the author of the Love drama and hopefully she’ll agree to be interviewed for this podcast. That would be wonderful. Yes, She herself is not a union analyst. He’s the only one of my authors who isn’t. She has a PhD in psychology, but her husband is a human analyst. So he didn’t write the book, He wrote it. But she would bounce ideas off him, right? Wasn’t she wrote it? Yeah. Very helpful, I’m sure. For his. But she herself did the research for it and put together what he calls Ariadne threat of Youngs amors. OK. Then, Darrell, thank you so much for your time today. This is just the beginning. Hopefully we’ll talk again soon. Well, yes, I hope so. Yeah. Me and Laura, as you continue with your project. I’m sure you will find other analyst authors that I’ve published quite as open and interesting and interested to be. Consulted about their work, so I wish you luck on that endeavor and you’re following your energy just as I advise my clients. Thank you, Darrell. You’re welcome. Happy trip back. So there you have it. That was my first go at this. And as I mentioned in the beginning, I hope to get better with experience because I have a lot of interviews planned and a lot of important material I’d like to talk about. In each episode I’ll be interviewing a Union analyst about a book they’ve written. Inner City Books has published over 140 titles, so there are many different topics in the field of Union. Ecology that I’ll be covering. If you’d indulge me for just a moment, I want to thank the people who have made this project possible. It’s been a long trip getting here, and it’s certainly would not exist without them. My longtime analyst Diane Braden, Liz Jefferson and Darrell Sharp of Inner City Books. Richard Sweeney. And Gina Peacock of the Young Association of Central Ohio And Megan McIntyre and Jessica Hart of the CG Young Center in Evanston. Technical guidance from Chris Brennan of the Astrology podcast, Doctor Dave of Shrink Wrap Radio, Eric Francis of Planet Waves FM, and Todd Petty of Websites made simple. My teachers Art Bell, Richard C Hoagland, William Henry, John Lash, Robert Hand, John Her Lasky, David Morehouse, Robert Bauval and Robert W Sullivan. The 4th my Twitter friends MJ Walters, Brian Collinson and John Amenta, whose presence has kept me focused over the years. Friends are very important to me. We don’t individuate alone. We need mirrors and I’ve had some great ones. Dave Bregman, Bearish Nigerian, Nita Sweeney, and Charlie Arthur. I wouldn’t be here or anywhere without you. Please visit the website Speaking of young.com For more information about today’s guest. As well as links to the books we’ve discussed on the website, you’ll also find some information about Young himself and links to his books as well. I’ve also started a blog where I’ve posted 2 short videos that I took at Inner City Books, one of Darrell ‘s elephant collection and the other of his alchemical snake ring. This is Laura London and you’ve been listening to Speaking of Young.
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